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:wink: Let everyone have their own faith

combat ...>>>TRUE THING EVER.

It's all about faith...religion is just a outtershelf.
But wat u believe inside of u...that is unvalueble.

On the other hand if u are looking to join a "religion" make sure that u are in the right roofs. And believe that Your gods is also mine.

:)

1.Lets start from Iron:

God says in the Holy Quran what means "And We sent down iron in which there lies great force and which has many uses for mankind.... (Surat al-Hadid: 25)

Modern astronomical findings have disclosed that the metal of iron found in our world has come down from the giant stars in outer space. It is totally impossible that iron could have been made on earth.


Iron is made from massive stars, along with every other element in the known universe via Hydrogen. There made from Hydrogen under gravitational compression conversions within countless billions of stars. This is observable within a labaratory environment. They die brake apart and compress back into planets with a variety of elements. Were as: "Iron was singled out as a useful material to make swords out of and so magically put on earth by a god" is not.  

God says in the holy Quran what means [So verily, I swear by the stars that are veiled . And by the (sweeping ) stars that move swiftly and hide themselves. And by the night as it departs; And by the dawn as it brightens; Verily, this is the Word (this Qur'an brought by) a most honorable messenger [Jibril (Gabriel), from Allah to the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)].] (At-Takwir: 15-19)

The Expansion of the Universe:?

In the Qur’an, which was revealed 14 centuries ago at a time when the science of astronomy was still primitive, the expansion of the universe was described like this:

And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it.) (Surat adh-Dhariyat: 47)


This is interpretation attached to something else to verify the whole koran. If it is, its a very poor account. The BIG BANG was a theory proposed by those who still havent ride themselves of religious sentiments. Religion has been around for along time, out of fear, out of disposing our pointless existences, and the 'thinking' behind it all is hard to shack off as its apart of our syntactics. The Universe is perpetual, it doesnt need a Creator. Believe it or not but your God is Dead. Black holes dont exist and have never been found, we have observed galaxys collide and there was no black hole collisions, which would of happened if they were real. The universe is not expanding, Hubble's law said that space expanded at a constant rate. Both clusters and galaxies. Galaxies are zig zagging all over the place, not allowable with Hubble's Law. So the law, a pillar of the big bang, is wrong. The galaxies are dissipating, galaxies being far away has nothing to do with age. Galaxies move in every path imaginable, which is not possible under Hubbles law which made a fundamental error in interprating redshift. Yet the average person not only believes it but doesn't realize that so many physicists do not. As for the religious, don't expect them to include logic anytime soon.

It was sent 1400 years ago where there was no technology.

Persia was a very advanced astronomical 'people' at that time.

>Einkill Torunn

1 500 years ago, everybody knew
the Earth was the centre of the universe.

500 years ago, everybody knew
the Earth was flat.

And 1 5 minutes ago, you knew that
people were alone on this planet.

lmagine what you'll know tomorrow.

(c) Men In Black

:tease: :D

after 3.5 billion years..the sun will be 100 bigger than the one that we having now :)).

>kingstar2004 [8]:

u are exacltly right!!! that is what was revealed 1400 yrs ago in Islam!!!well done kingstar!!!

>NakoputiPrdel [8]:

MIB :D

>MCDOOM [8]:
In what time are you lifing in? Thes things have never been denided. All of theses have evidence. Just show me the scintific evidence which denys these therioes? I tried to find them on google...but i couldnt....

Evry thing on earth so extremly carefully calculated that it just couldnt be created it self. ppl are lost in darwinism. after some time ppl found every thing is planed? and if u think deeply....cant we enderstand that we are protected? there are so many hydrogen bombs in but still we are safe? then tell me how was the very first hydrogen atom created? was it created it self? who did this extream planing?

we belive that god created all that is including human beigng and gave him a choce to choose between right and wrong. ppl say if there was a god why doesnt he speak face to face? the answer is this he has sent so many clear evidences.....and ppl must understand and listen. disbiving ppl say "why wee are dead....we will be made alive again" everyone forgets that god cread us from nothing and he can re[peat it again.

He has sent so many messengers (about more them one million, and the famous ones are Adam, Hoah, Abraham, Israel, Joseph, Issac, Lot, Ishmail, Jacop, Zakiriya, Yahaya, Jesus, Aaron, Moses, Idiris and the last one "Muhammed (S.A.W Peace be upun him) thay all came with clear edvidence but ppl denied them.

we just need to understand

Eink

Mistake: It shouldnt be "Hoha" IT should be Noha"

>Einkill Torunn

Noha = leg
in my native language :D

>MCDOOM [8]:
In what time are you lifing in? Thes things have never been denided. All of theses have evidence. Just show me the scintific evidence which denys these therioes? I tried to find them on google...but i couldnt....

Hum, for argument sake NakoputiPrdel wrote: 500 years ago, everybody knew
the Earth was flat. They have been denided, they have no evidence, they are purely hypothetical like the concept of God. Now, try to imagine that the idea of gravity is much like people believing the Earth is flat. Gravity is a structural force, not a pulling force. This is why they are developing nothing but problems with their model. If you truely care about the subject search for Caltech, where there basically wasting billions in a last ditch attempt to find gravitational waves. NASA also built 'Lisa' to do so and it will fail. If they dont (which they wont) then say bye-bye to big bang, black holes and the standard model of time. I'd give links but we cant in the forum. Just ask :)

Remember, the priests, scientists, shamans and soothsayers etc were the myth makers of old. Nothing changes.

Evry thing on earth so extremly carefully calculated that it just couldnt be created it self.

Carefully calculated? From the infinitesimal or 'quantum' world it is not, which means it is also true of the infinite. Your spatial motion which your eyes see and you experience depends upon the speed of the subject relative to the fourth dimension. Things merely seem carefully calculated.

ppl are lost in darwinism.

Darwin was on the right lines, but he was wrong too.

there are so many hydrogen bombs in but still we are safe? then tell me how was the very first hydrogen atom created? was it created it self? who did this extream planing

The sunshine on your face is the result of the nuclear fusion of hydrogen into helium a few million years ago as as i described above. Has been for awhile, and its the same stuff (electromagnetic waves) we turn into once we dissipate after death. But do not despair, everything in 'infinite' must ultimately reoccur - eternally! :)

we belive that god created all that is including human beigng and gave him a choce to choose between right and wrong. ppl say if there was a god why doesnt he speak face to face? the answer is this he has sent so many clear evidences.....and ppl must understand and listen. disbiving ppl say "why wee are dead....we will be made alive again" everyone forgets that god cread us from nothing and he can re[peat it again.

He has sent so many messengers (about more them one million, and the famous ones are Adam, Hoah, Abraham, Israel, Joseph, Issac, Lot, Ishmail, Jacop, Zakiriya, Yahaya, Jesus, Aaron, Moses, Idiris and the last one "Muhammed (S.A.W Peace be upun him) thay all came with clear edvidence but ppl denied them.

we just need to understand

You have faith and nothing can change that, i never would wish that. Just understand as kingstar2004 said ppl have faith in alot of things.

Want some more?

Lets go to Mecca (In Saudi Arabia) The hollyest place of the world. IT has been fond out it is the center of the world. And indeed it is a very dry, desert area....but still very spicial? think about the Abezamzam (which is a natural spring of clean water)....scientict say it is very unuall that it is possible to have a water spring like that in a pure desert. That spring has been giving out water for a long time (About before 2000BC) and is still working...and has no sign to stop. The answer is "In the time of Abraham (PBUH) his wife was lost in the desert of Mecca which her son Phrophet Ishmeal (PBUH). At that time he was a baby. He was crying becase of thirst. His mother put him safely and started to search water in the extream heat...and went sevent times round a monutain. that pleased God....so he gave them a present. The baby stated to kicj his feet in the sand AND BEHOLD "there came out a natural spring of water"
That land is Also rich in other things. Becasue gods house is there....there is alot of oil...fruit....which are a bit unussial in deserts.

And then the Phrophet Muhammed (S.A.W , PBUH) alwasy metioned abot the number seven? something has been proved about that. there are seven heavens, seven layers of an atom, seven layers of gases in the sky, and seven layers of materials in the earth.

Cure for death?
Scientists recently discovered a gene on the DNA tape inside the body cells; this gene was called Telomere, it is a tape that has a defined length and controls the death and senescence of cells. The task of this Telomere is to maintain the DNA after each time it splits to produce new cells.

But this Telomere gets shorter after each cell division until it reaches a critical limit when it can't do its tasks anymore; here, the cell gets old and dies. Scientists tried to lengthen the biological age of this gene; they discovered an enzyme called Telomerase that can maintain the senescence gene and keep cells in a healthy condition for a longer period. But how to put

And here is the evidence on Allah's Almighty saying: (We have decreed death to you all), death is destined, programmed, and organized. This is what the Holy Koran told us in the seventh century, and this is what scientists find today in the twenty-first century, so glory to Allah!

The greatest prophet peace be upon him said: (take medicine servants of Allah, for Allah has not created a disease without creating its cure, except one disease - is death)

Is the Holy Quran Muhammad’s invention ?

Many critics of Islam throughout their continuous searching to find a human source to the Holy Qur'an, their imagination conducted them to the idea that the Holy Qur'an is prophet Muhammad's invention for   three purposes

1. To facilitate his domination over his followers.

2. To frighten the hypocrites, the unbelievers and those who disobey his orders.

3. To permit his pleasures

The allegation that the Holy Qur’an is out of prophet Muhammad’s passions and imaginations is the weakest one of their suspicions. Are million of Arabs’ mothers unable to give birth to one like him (prophet Muhammad PBUH)?   Were all his life circumistances qualified him to be in peace of mind, happy and sitting on his sofa .. holding a piece of peaper and pen and writing some verses of the Holy Qur’an?! What a single human can do, certainly a group of human can do too. So, Why they did not do that?    

The style of the Holy Qur’an is different from that of the Noble Hadeeth, certainly a person , irrespective of his qualifications ,   can impossibly produce sentences with different style at the same time. Allah’s Messenger is a human being ,who could be angry, happy, sad and so on .. but you can see the difference clearly between the prophetic Noble Hadeeth , that he said and what he told us that it is a Holy Qur’an.

And why Muhammad did not claim that his Hadeeth is a Qur’anic verses in spite of the fact   that it is also inspired by Allah. [2]

We cannot say that   prophet Muhammad had two different styles, a very ornamented and decorated one which is for the Holy Qur’an and an   inferior one for the Noble Hadeeth. Meanwhile most of the Holy Qur’an was brought down to prophet Muhammad unexpectedly, he is hates speech decoration more than any one , and we must not forget that we are talking about the golden age of Arabic when the Arabs’ instinct and sense were free from any kind of   grammatical mistakes.    

What does an ordinary person want by pretending prophethood, if he is a liar? No more than some honor and money. While Quraish offered to Allah’s Messenger the most extreme things that any Arabic imagination could wish at that time, (money, honor, women…) but he left all of these and slept on a straw mat which affected his honorable body by leaving some lines on it, and he was exposed to many assassination attempts. He fought the polytheists.. although he could live in glory and bliss, if he gave up the calling for Islam.    

4. The different Qur’anic miracles whether (illustrative, scientific, invisible or legislative) were behind the reach of any human being .

5. The Holy Qur’an does not contain any important events concerning Prophet Muhammad’s life or any names of his lovers or his closest persons such as ( his parents, his children, the earlier muslims, his wives..etc) even his name was not   mentioned more   than   four times in the Holy Qur’an.

6. There are many verses of blame against Prophet Muhammad in the Holy Qur’an.

10. Another evidence is that the Holy Qur’an was sent down separated in 23 years and was arranged   in a very wonderful and accurate style without any flaw, contradiction or any change in its rhetoric. All of these could never have   been produced by an ordinary human being known with his natural deficiency.  

Certainly, our Prohet Muhammad is honest, for the content of the Holy Qur’an does not belong to any creature (mankind or jinn), rather it is confirmed by Almighty Allah , God say in this regard what means : (And thus We have sent to you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) Ruh (a Revelation, and a Mercy) of Our Command. You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith? But We have made it (this Qur'ân) a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our slaves We will. And verily, you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allâh's religion of Islâmic Monotheism). [42:52]

These days if u ask any one to produce a single verse in arabic like the Quran...it is totally impossible. In this century some non-muslims took the challange to make a book like the quran....but they always failed. The couldnt even make a small sentence like that.
Secondly....the Phrophrt was UNABLE TO READ and write...but he became the best teacher to mankind. These days some are the EU laws are taken from the islamic laws.

Hmmm... Flood?

MCDOOM> u say the things aint carefully calculated?

Gravity:

- If gravity were stronger, excessive ammonia and methane would collect in the Earth’s atmosphere, which would have a most damaging effect on life.
- If it were weaker, the Earth’s atmosphere would lose excessive quantities of water, making life impossible.

The Earth’s Distance from the Sun:

- If this were any greater, the planet would grow very cold, the water cycle in the atmosphere would be affected, and the planet would enter an ice-age.
- If the Earth were any closer to the Sun, plants would burn up, the water cycle in the Earth’s atmosphere would be irreparably damaged, and life would become impossible.

The Thickness of the Earth’s Crust:

- If the crust were any thicker, then an excessive amount of oxygen would be transferred to it from the atmosphere.
- If it were any thinner, the resulting amount of volcanic activity would make life impossible.

The Speed at which the Earth Revolves:

- If this were any slower, the temperature difference between day and night would grow enormously.
- If it were any faster, then atmospheric winds would reach enormous speeds, and cyclones and storms would make life impossible.

The Earth’s Magnetic Field:

- If this were any more powerful, very strong electromagnetic storms would arise.
- If it were any weaker, then the Earth would lose its protection against the harmful particles given off by the Sun and known as solar winds. Both situations would make life impossible.

The Albedo Effect (Ratio between the amount of light the Earth reflects and the amount of light that is absorbed):

- If this were any greater, an ice-age would rapidly result.
- If it were any less, the greenhouse effect would lead to excessive warming. The Earth would first be flooded with the melting of the glaciers, and would then burn up.

The Proportion of Oxygen and Nitrogen in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, vital functions would be adversely accelerated.
- If it were any less, vital functions would adversely slow down.

The Proportion of Carbon Dioxide and Water in the Atmosphere:

- If this were any greater, the atmosphere would overheat.
- If it were any less, the temperature of the atmosphere would fall.

The Thickness of the Ozone Layer:

- If this were any greater, the Earth’s temperature would fall enormously.
- If it were any less, the Earth would overheat and be defenceless against the harmful ultraviolet rays emitted by the Sun.

Seismic Activity (Earthquakes):

- If this were any greater, there would be constant upheaval for living things.
- If it were any less, the nutrients at the sea bottom would fail to spread into the water. This would have a damaging effect on life in the seas and oceans and all living things on Earth.

The Earth’s Angle of Tilt:

The Earth has a 23 degree angle of inclination to its orbit. It is this inclination that gives rise to the seasons. If this angle were any greater or any less than it is now, the temperature difference between the seasons would reach extreme dimensions, with unbearably hot summers and bitterly cold winters.

The Size of the Sun:

A smaller star than the Sun would mean the Earth would freeze and a larger star would lead to its burning up.

The Attraction between the Earth and the Moon:

- If this were any greater, the powerful attraction of the Moon would have extremely serious effects on atmospheric conditions, the speed at which the Earth revolves around its own axis and on the ocean tides.

- If it were any less, this would lead to extreme climate changes

we belive that it took God 4days to do all these calculations )))

Einkill Torunn.

Thats a flood, i'm not replying to all that. If i did waste time posting back im not having to guide you through the parts that are false or misleading interpretations and have you ignore them and go on and on flooding, again. All the above have changed and will once again change ad infinitum. I'm a man of empirical needs - i like to have hard evidence, you clearly dont. If it wasn't for Christianity the world wouldn't of been deprived of the Roman culture, as well as that of Islam.

To be honest ive just deleted alot of what i was going to post. The concept God is a way of maintaining a fictional 'carefully calculated' order in the chaos of the world. To imagine a world without the concept of God is a frightening world to imagine. In the same way as religions, there is a degree in science that is a matter of faith and belief. Both are just trying to make sense of all this.

So, when was the world 'created' according to the Kuran? Before you answer it, do you have any evidence? :)

If it wasn't for Christianity the world wouldn't of been deprived of the Roman culture, as well as that of Islam.


Er, that part was meant as a complement to some extent. Cant remember why. drunk.

I'll reply properly again. Pals can delete the above.

In an wholistic sense, god is just a thought and only because of thought is there truth.

whoa

"In an wholistic sense, god is just a thought and only because of thought is there untruth."

Einkill Torunn, bring something along that isn't a monotheistic (belief in one god) dominant religion like Islam and tell me what you think of the other religions? Or i'll argue the case for the horse god Neeyyy!! =)

I only know about three religions: Christianity, Islam, Judism (Jew)

))

I for got to mentions to other important phrophts in christianity, judism, and islam:

King Soloman of Jerusalem, and king David of Jerusalem ))))